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In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! Thats very wise, and I respect that. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Pentecostal. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: on her, one of them probably will. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Run as far away from both of them as possible. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! It does NOT say, and be baptist. This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. And if I perish, I perish. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Some would call that circular reasoning. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. unbiblical) meditation. Opening Prayer. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Jeremiah 24:7. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? I dont want to lead us astray ). If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Go beyond what's fair. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. Matthew 14:15-16. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. Where does the Bible teach this? She has no control over who reads her blogs. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. INTRODUCTION But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? 1. Or and be .. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Romans 4:18. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Im surprised to hear thats her position. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. This is not a new idea. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. It just says dont. Period. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. It is called cross promotion. SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. - Jonah didnt smell good. Its a complete waste of time. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Thank you, Daisy. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. Go beyond by faith. Or and be .. (Yikes!). You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. Isaiah 58:12. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: THE CALL? And it cometh to pass, when all the kings who are beyond the Jordan, in the hill-country, and in the low-country, and in every haven of the great sea, over-against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, hear --. Have been vetting her this was very helpful! If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . No-one is beyond compassion. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. None. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! In our modern In fact, the Bible says the opposite. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Astonished Beyond Measure Defining moments, we all have them. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. 5:7 ). What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. We treat God's written word with reverence, accepting it as complete and adequate, and refuse to alter it in any way (II Timothy 3:16,17). Scripture: 2 Kings 5:1-15 Denomination: Baptist Going Beyond What Is Expected? (This is where the video above ends. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. Jonah 2:10. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. Is she a false teacher? They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. rather than on the Bible. Did you feel any kind of fear? If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. August 11, 2002 AM And how their lives could be changed, too. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. 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